Dr Shiva is a force of Nature! She is a scholar, researcher, environmental activist and advisor to governments worldwide, who has helped to draft laws to protect the Earth and the farmers whose livelihoods depend on her bounty. She has also authored over 20 books. She is one of the leaders of the International Forum on Globalization and promotes the traditional practices of sustainable agriculture, biodiversity and indigenous knowledge. She funded the Research Foundation for Science, Technology and Ecology, which lead to the creation of Navdanya. She has received many prizes and awards for her tireless and inspiring work spanning 50 years.

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Vandana Shiva

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<h4 style="text-align: center;">IN CONVERSATION WITH
 DR VANDANA SHIVA
</h4>
Q: Dr Shiva, you have been working
 tirelessly for years to bring awareness and change in the field of sustainable agriculture and ecological diversity,
 in India and around the world. Have we progressed? What are some of your most satisfying achievements to
 date?
VS: I think the recognition that
 the Earth is sacred, the rights of all her beings are inviolable, is growing. This is what has inspired me to spend a
 lifetime in the service of the Earth and defending the rights of those people who depend upon the Earth.
In terms of what are the satisfying achievements, one is saving this valley where we are
 sitting, which is my birthplace. I returned here1 because the ministry had asked me to do a study on
 potential mining in this region, and our study stopped the mining going ahead. It was the first case in India where
 the Supreme Court ordered that commerce had to stop if it was destructive in taking away people’s life support
 systems.
The work I started to do with saving seeds has been satisfying in and of itself, because
 seeds are such important teachers of renewability, generosity and diversity, and all of that has guided my work.
Regarding the legal issues, I’m satisfied that having woken up to how seeds were under
 threat, and starting seed saving, I was able to work with our government and our parliament to put laws in place that
 defend the integrity of seed – article 3J of our patent laws. I was asked to help draft the Plant Variety and Farmers’
 Rights Act so that we have the rights of farmers written in black and white. I was asked to help draft the
 Biodiversity Act, which makes it an obligation to protect biodiversity.
Then there are the things we started, such as the Community Biodiversity Register,
 documenting what is there, and all of that is now government policy. I can go to the remotest area and people are
 collecting this indigenous knowledge.
Then there have been the legal victories against the big giants, for example, our
 struggle against the patenting of neem. We fought it for 11 years and won. Basmati rice from Dehra Dun was patented by
 a Texas company, but we had that reversed. The wheat of India was patented by Monsanto and they also had to give up
 that patent. We were entering a new age of colonialism where instead of grabbing territory and saying, “This is ours,”
 they were now grabbing life, biodiversity, indigenous knowledge and saying, “We are the inventors.” And I think we put
 a brake on that bio-piracy epidemic. It still happens, but it would have been the norm if we hadn’t stopped it. It is
 now the exception.
I think that studying the Green Revolution, when the Punjab erupted in violence and the
 Bhopal tragedy took place, we’ve now been able to show that we can grow more food while protecting the Earth. We can
 feed two Indias through ecological farming. Our farmers earn ten times more by not being addicted to poisons.
So each of these things is on the one hand inspired in a deep way by the integrity of
 the Earth, and on the other hand has also managed to reverse some of the really destructive assumptions of industrial
 agriculture and the greed associated with industrial globalization.
Q: Thank you. You are very
 modest – you didn’t mention the international influence you have had. I am aware of your trips to Geneva and your
 current work with ecocide and the rights of planet Earth, which leads us to the next question: what are the most
 pressing ecological issues of our time? What are a few practical things that all of us can do to bring change for
 the better?
VS: I think that the most
 important ecological issue of our time is to stop this illusion that we are separate from Nature, that we are masters
 of the Earth, and that we can manipulate the Earth and other beings as we want. Because whatever we do to other
 creatures, some privileged powerful human beings also do to other human beings.
We have driven other species to extinction a thousand times faster than normal rates. We
 are also doing so much to drive the human species to extinction with the disasters we have created. But this is not
 inevitable. We could instead start functioning within the reality that we are members of this Earth family. We are not
 outside the Earth, we are part of the Earth, and any violence to any strand of the web of life is violence to
 ourselves. That waking up will help us recognize the limits we must respect, rather than following the illusion of
 limitless growth. It will help us create a better world for ourselves and others by using less. Because it is not the
 case that by predating on the Earth we are having better lives.
The single thing everyone can do is change the way we eat. Eating right is an important
 step. We are today eating food that is the result of industrial farming. It is nutritionally empty, toxic and uniform,
 and does not meet the needs of the planet or our own needs. 75% of the ecological destruction on the planet is because
 of industrial farming and a globalized food system. 75% of the diseases are related to that same food system.
So we need to change our eating to be more conscious, recognizing that we are the food
 we eat – it is not separate, it is not a commodity, it is not fuel for our body as a machine. We are living, sacred
 temples, and food is itself a sacred gift. We have to bring that sanctity back. We have an ancient saying, “Anna
 Brahma,” meaning food is the creator. The creator is embodied in the food.
So in the simple act of eating, we can start protecting the planet, we can start
 reversing climate change, we can start reversing species extinction, we can start solving the water problems, we can
 reverse desertification and we can build up our health. And it would be stupid not to take that small step.

<hr>
<h5 style="text-align: center;">The single thing everyone
 can do is change the way we eat.
</h5>

<hr>
Q: India is a fast emerging nation with a
 young population. How can the youth best participate in a new paradigm so they have a hopeful future? 
VS: First, we are not emerging
 from anything! We are an ancient nation, and the word ‘emerging’ was given to us by the globalized economy, which has
 treated us as an emerging market for itself. An ancient civilization of 10,000 years doesn’t emerge it evolves. It
 evolves to the next step.
Now the next step could be a very smudged photocopy of the failed western paradigm of
 consumerism, resource exploitation, competitiveness and dissatisfaction. It is a paradigm that is designed to destroy
 work. Youth has no place in that paradigm, because it cannot create work.
How do we make sure that young people in India are able to have a future? I think the
 first thing is to learn the deep principles of our civilization, of an ecological civilization. To learn from people
 like Gandhi the dignity of labor, where he would spin cloth as the way to freedom, rather than say, “I am going to be
 a serf in a giant mill or a giant garment industry.” He recognized that climbing another step in slavery is not
 progress, but breaking out of a slavery system is liberation.
We need to learn from the Buddha, who was also born in this land, the teaching of
 compassion. The current economic model teaches us how to be cruel, how to be brutal. And India is living that
 brutality, whether it is in violence against women, raping 2-year-old babies, or murdering 7-year-old children in
 school. This is not the India I know. This is an India that has become distorted. It is wasting too many lives. We
 need to reclaim India. And reclaiming India is where the youth will have a place.

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Q: What is your vision for humanity? Where
 are we headed? How will we get there?
VS: My vision is that we are human
 to the extent that we recognize non-human life and our dependence on it. Our humanity does not come from separation.
 Our humanity does not come from how violent we can be, and how exploitative can we be. That is not being human. Being
 human means being part of the Earth, having compassion, spreading love.
My dream, first and foremost, is to continue to do what I have done for more than 50
 years, but also respond to the new challenges. A brilliant scientist like Stephen Hawking said that either we will be
 extinct in 100 years or we will escape to other planets. My response to him is, “You guys of science, the powerful
 ones, have escaped too many times and trampled on too much.”
It is irresponsible to destroy this Earth, to be violent against Mother Earth, and
 continue that hubris by trying to colonize other planets and calling that a planetary civilization. I would call it
 the fiction and illusion of planetary imperialism.
What we need to know is the limits that guide us on this planet and respect those
 planetary boundaries. With this we become more human. The deeper we are in living within the limits of the Earth,
 living within the limits of social justice, living within the limits of respect for all, the deeper is our humanity.
 Our civilization knew this in the past, but it has forgotten it, and is now remembering it and joining with other
 civilizations, including those that have forgotten it for longer. We are all seeking. Not only are we seeking to know
 how we have a future as a human species, but the future of our human species depends on recognizing that all other
 species have a right to a future and we do not have a right to extermination, pushing others to extinction.
We have to move from hubris to humility. We have to move from narrowness of the
 mechanistic mind and the monoculture of the mind to the ecology of the mind, a mind that is part of the whole.
Q: Does spirituality have a role in this
 paradigm of change? Some people believe that you can only change the world if you change yourself – it all has to
 come from within through meditation. Having stayed on your farm for the last month, I see a dual way, as there is so
 much we also need to do to live in community, to grow food, and to regain our connection with the earth. Can you
 comment on that?
VS: Well we do meditate out here,
 but we don’t meditate all the time. I think the crass materialism that came out of greed has created a reaction of
 spirituality that is defined only as the inner life. But the basic principle of spirituality is to know the
 interconnectedness – that there is no divide between the inner and the outer. Every violence we do to the Earth comes
 from a degradation of our own spiritual being. Every aspect of our spiritual being that becomes more conscious stops
 harm to all others. Just like there is no divide between humans and the Earth, there is no divide between spirituality
 and material life. Every life is sacred. That’s when true spirituality will be reclaimed.
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<h6>1 Navdanya Biodiversity Farm, Shisham Bara, Uttarakhand, India</h6>

<hr>
<h4 style="text-align: center;">Interviewed by KIM HUGHES</h4>

<hr>

Interconnectedness

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<h4>
 In 2017, DR. VANDANA SHIVA spoke with
 KIM HUGHES about the sacredness of the
 Earth, the work she has been doing to bring awareness and change in the field
 of sustainable agriculture, and the importance of understanding our
 interconnectedness with Nature, and how we can change the way we eat.
</h4>
<hr class="vertical-space1" />

 Q: Dr. Shiva, you have been working tirelessly for years to bring awareness
 and change in the field of sustainable agriculture and ecological diversity,
 in India and around the world. Have we progressed? What are some of your
 most satisfying achievements to date?


 VS: I thing the recognition that the Earth
 is sacred, the rights of all her beings are inviolable, is growing. This is
 what has inspired me to spend a lifetime in the service of the Earth and
 defending the rights of those people who depend upon the Earth.


 In terms of what are the satisfying achievements, one is saving this valley
 where we are sitting, which is my birthplace. I returned here because the
 ministry had asked me to do a study on potential mining in this region, and
 our study stopped the mining going ahead. It was the first case in India where
 the Supreme Court ordered that commerce had to stop if it was destructive in
 taking away people’s life support systems.

<hr class="vertical-space1" />

<hr />
<h5 style="text-align: center">
 I thing the recognition that the Earth is sacred, 
 
 the rights of all her beings are inviolable, is growing. 
 This is what has inspired me to spend a lifetime 
 in the service of the Earth and 
 defending the rights of those people 
 who depend upon the Earth.
</h5>

<hr />
<hr class="vertical-space1" />

 The work I started to do with saving seeds has been satisfying in and of
 itself, because seeds are such important teachers of renewability, generosity
 and diversity, and all of that has guided my work.


 Regarding the legal issues, I’m satisfied that having woken up to how seeds
 were under threat, and starting seed saving, I was able to work with our
 government and our parliament to put laws in place that defend the integrity
 of seed – Article 3J of our patent laws. I was asked to help draft the Plant
 Variety and Farmers’ Rights Act so that we have the rights of farmers written
 in black and white. I was asked to help draft the Biodiversity Act, which
 makes it an obligation to protect biodiversity.


 Then there are the things we started, such as the Community Biodiversity
 Register, documenting what is there, and all of that is now government policy.
 I can go to the remotest area and people are collecting this indigenous
 knowledge.

<hr class="vertical-space1" />

 <img
 alt="interconnectedness2"
 class="w-100 lazyload"
 src="https://cdn-prod-static.heartfulness.org/interconnectedness2_294b4c4ec1.jpg?updated_at=2023-04-10T08:16:25.090Z"
 />

<hr class="vertical-space1" />

 Then there have been the legal victories against the big giants, for example,
 our struggle against the patenting of neem. We fought it for 11 years and won.
 Basmati rice from Dehra Dun was patented by a Texas company, but we had that
 reversed. The wheat of India was patented by Monsanto and they also had to
 give up that patent. We were entering a new age of colonialism where instead
 of grabbing territory and saying, “This is ours,” they were now grabbing life,
 biodiversity, indigenous knowledge and saying, “We are the inventors.” And I
 think we put a brake on that bio-piracy epidemic. It still happens, but it
 would have been the norm if we hadn’t stopped it. It is now the exception.


 I think that studying the Green Revolution, when the Punjab erupted in
 violence and the Bhopal tragedy took place, we’ve now been able to show that
 we can grow more food while protecting the Earth. We can feed two Indias
 through ecological farming. Our farmers earn ten times more by not being
 addicted to poisons.


 So each of these things is on the one hand inspired in a deep way by the
 integrity of the Earth, and on the other hand has also managed to reverse some
 of the really destructive assumptions of industrial agriculture and the greed
 associated with industrial globalization.


 Q: Thank you. You are very modest – you didn’t mention the international
 influence you have had. I am aware of your trips to Geneva and your current
 work with ecocide and the rights of planet Earth, which leads us to the next
 question: what are the most pressing ecological issues of our time? What are
 a few practical things that all of us can do to bring change for the
 better?


 VS: I think that the most important
 ecological issue of our time is to stop this illusion that we are separate
 from Nature, that we are masters of the Earth, and that we can manipulate the
 Earth and other beings as we want. Because whatever we do to other creatures,
 some privileged powerful human beings also do to other human beings.


 We have driven other species to extinction a thousand times faster than normal
 rates. We are also doing so much to drive the human species to extinction with
 the disasters we have created. But this is not inevitable. We could instead
 start functioning within the reality that we are members of this Earth family.
 We are not outside the Earth, we are part of the Earth, and any violence to
 any strand of the web of life is violence to ourselves. That waking up will
 help us recognize the limits we must respect, rather than following the
 illusion of limitless growth. It will help us create a better world for
 ourselves and others by using less. Because it is not the case that by
 predating on the Earth we are having better lives.

<hr class="vertical-space1" />

<hr />
<h5 style="text-align: center">
 We could instead start functioning within the reality 
 that we are members of this Earth family. 
 We are not outside the Earth, 
 we are part of the Earth, 
 and any violence to any strand 
 of the web of life is violence to ourselves. 
 That waking up will help us 
 recognize the limits we must respect, 
 rather than following the illusion of limitless growth.
</h5>

<hr />
<hr class="vertical-space1" />

 The single thing everyone can do is change the way we eat. Eating right is an
 important step. We are today eating food that is the result of industrial
 farming. It is nutritionally empty, toxic and uniform, and does not meet the
 needs of the planet or our own needs. 75% of the ecological destruction on the
 planet is because of industrial farming and a globalized food system. 75% of
 the diseases are related to that same food system.


 So we need to change our eating to be more conscious, recognizing that we are
 the food we eat – it is not separate, it is not a commodity, it is not fuel
 for our body as a machine. We are living, sacred temples, and food is itself a
 sacred gift. We have to bring that sanctity back. We have an ancient saying,
 “Anna Brahma,” meaning food is the creator. The creator is embodied in the
 food.


 So in the simple act of eating, we can start protecting the planet, we can
 start reversing climate change, we can start reversing species extinction, we
 can start solving the water problems, we can reverse desertification and we
 can build up our health. And it would be stupid not to take that small step.


 Q: India is a fast emerging nation with a young population. How can the
 youth best participate in a new paradigm so they have a hopeful
 future?


 VS: First, we are not emerging from
 anything! We are an ancient nation, and the word “emerging” was given to us by
 the globalized economy, which has treated us as an emerging market for itself.
 An ancient civilization of 10,000 years doesn’t emerge, it evolves. It evolves
 to the next step.


 Now the next step could be a very smudged photocopy of the failed western
 paradigm of consumerism, resource exploitation, competitiveness and
 dissatisfaction. It is a paradigm that is designed to destroy work. Youth has
 no place in that paradigm, because it cannot create work.


 How do we make sure that young people in India are able to have a future? I
 think the first thing is to learn the deep principles of our civilization, of
 an ecological civilization. To learn from people like Gandhi the dignity of
 labor, where he would spin cloth as the way to freedom, rather than say, “I am
 going to be a serf in a giant mill or a giant garment industry.” He recognized
 that climbing another step in slavery is not progress, but breaking out of a
 slavery system is liberation.


 We need to learn from the Buddha, who was also born in this land, the teaching
 of compassion. The current economic model teaches us how to be cruel, how to
 be brutal. And India is living that brutality, whether it is in violence
 against women, raping 2-year-old babies, or murdering 7-year-old children in
 school. This is not the India I know. This is an India that has become
 distorted. It is wasting too many lives. We need to reclaim India. And
 reclaiming India is where the youth will have a place.

<hr class="vertical-space1" />

 <img
 alt="interconnectedness3"
 class="w-100 lazyload"
 src="https://cdn-prod-static.heartfulness.org/interconnectedness3_0649aeb6a9.jpg?updated_at=2023-04-10T08:16:25.147Z"
 />

<hr class="vertical-space1" />

 Q: What is your vision for humanity? Where are we headed? How will we get
 there?


 VS: My vision is that we are human to the
 extent that we recognize non-human life and our dependence on it. Our humanity
 does not come from separation. Our humanity does not come from how violent we
 can be, and how exploitative can we be. That is not being human. Being human
 means being part of the Earth, having compassion, spreading love.


 My dream, first and foremost, is to continue to do what I have done for more
 than 50 years, but also respond to the new challenges. A brilliant scientist
 like Stephen Hawking said that either we will be extinct in 100 years or we
 will escape to other planets. My response to him is, “You guys of science, the
 powerful ones, have escaped too many times and trampled on too much.”


 It is irresponsible to destroy this Earth, to be violent against Mother Earth,
 and continue that hubris by trying to colonize other planets and calling that
 a planetary civilization. I would call it the fiction and illusion of
 planetary imperialism.


 What we need to know is the limits that guide us on this planet and respect
 those planetary boundaries. With this we become more human.


 The deeper we are in living within the limits of the Earth, living within the
 limits of social justice, living within the limits of respect for all, the
 deeper is our humanity. Our civilization knew this in the past, but it has
 forgotten it, and is now remembering it and joining with other civilizations,
 including those that have forgotten it for longer. We are all seeking. Not
 only are we seeking to know how we have a future as a human species, but the
 future of our human species depends on recognizing that all other species have
 a right to a future and we do not have a right to extermination, pushing
 others to extinction.


 We have to move from hubris to humility. We have to move from narrowness of
 the mechanistic mind and the monoculture of the mind to the ecology of the
 mind, a mind that is part of the whole.

<hr class="vertical-space1" />

<hr />
<h5 style="text-align: center">
 We have to move from hubris to humility. 
 We have to move from narrowness 
 of the mechanistic mind and 
 the monoculture of the mind 
 to the ecology of the mind, 
 a mind that is part of the whole.
</h5>

<hr />
<hr class="vertical-space1" />

 Q: Does spirituality have a role in this paradigm of change? Some people
 believe that you can only change the world if you change yourself – it all
 has to come from within through meditation. Having stayed on your farm for
 the last month, I see a dual way, as there is so much we also need to do to
 live in community, to grow food, and to regain our connection with the
 earth. Can you comment on that?


 VS: Well we do meditate out here, but we
 don’t meditate all the time. I think the crass materialism that came out of
 greed has created a reaction of spirituality that is defined only as the inner
 life. But the basic principle of spirituality is to know the
 interconnectedness – that there is no divide between the inner and the outer.
 Every violence we do to the Earth comes from a degradation of our own
 spiritual being. Every aspect of our spiritual being that becomes more
 conscious stops harm to all others. Just like there is no divide between
 humans and the Earth, there is no divide between spirituality and material
 life. Every life is sacred. That’s when true spirituality will be reclaimed.

<hr class="vertical-space1" />

<hr />
<h4 style="text-align: center">Interviewed by KIM HUGHES</h4>

<hr />

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